1 = Czy mógłbym prosić o tłumacza.
2 = Czy mogę dostać tłumacza, proszę.
IMHO:
1. proszę o tłumacza człowieka.
2. proszę o urządzenie tłumaczące np. w muzeum itp.
Gość - serio? nie sądziłam, że zdanie 2. może oznaczać urządzenie tłumaczące:)
wielkie dzięki:)
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Hejka
Ja bym proponował takie tłumaczenie:
1. "Could I ask an interpreter? - Czy mogę zapytać tłumacza?
(interpreter -> domyślnie ustne tłumaczenie)
2."Could I get an interpreter, please" - Czy mogę skorzystać z pomocy tłumacza?
PS. Tłumaczenie obu zdań kolegi TLK są raczej mylące, gdyż:
1. 'ask' to nie to samo co 'ask for'
2. Jeszcze się nie spotkałem by interpreter oznaczał urządzenie tłumaczące w powyższym kontekście (jako program tłumaczący między językami używanymi przez ludzi) a raczej w znaczeniu 'interpretator' napisanego programu komputerowego.
np. interpretator języka C++, Pascal, Basic itp.
Za CALD
interpreter - (specialized) a computer program that changes the instructions in another program into a form that can be easily understood by a computer
Dlatego tłumaczenie kolegi TLK powinno wyglądać tak:
"Could I ask FOR an interpreter? = Czy mógłbym prosić o tłumacza?
quantum137 - Ok zdarza się, chętnie podyskutuję na ten temat ale pisz konkrety a nie copy-paste wszystko co popadnie:) Bez urazy.
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IMHO:
Could I ask an interpreter?
= Czy mógłbym prosić o tłumacza?
Can I ask for an interpreter?
= Czy mogę poprosić o tłumacza?
użyte ask for tłumaczymy jako prosić/poprosić wg słownika Longman
i równoznaczne tłumaczeniowo jest:
Could I ask for an interpreter
ale juz słownik Oxford podaje jako przykład stosowania ask i phrasal verb "ask for"
taka informacje:
Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary, 8th edition
ask verb, noun
BrE / ɑsk /
NAmE / æsk /
verb
verb forms
word origin
thesaurus
synonyms
synonyms
example bank
question
1 [ intransitive , transitive ] to say or write sth in the form of a question, in order to get information
How old are you—if you don't mind me/my asking ?
~ about sb/sth He asked about her family.
~ sth Can I ask a question ?
Did you ask the price?
+ speech ‘Where are you going?’ she asked.
~ sb + speech ‘Are you sure?’ he asked her.
~ sb sth She asked the students their names.
I often get asked that!
~ sb (about sth) The interviewer asked me about my future plans.
~ where, what, etc… He asked where I lived.
~ sb where, what, etc… I had to ask the teacher what to do next.
I was asked if/whether I could drive.
You cannot say ‘ask to sb’: I asked to my friend what had happened.
request
2 [ transitive ] to tell sb that you would like them to do sth or that you would like sth to happen
~ sb to do sth All the students were asked to complete a questionnaire.
Eric asked me to marry him.
~ whether, what, etc… I asked whether they could change my ticket.
~ sb whether, what, etc… She asked me if I would give her English lessons.
~ that… ( formal ) She asked that she be kept informed of developments.
( BrE also ) She asked that she should be kept informed.
3 [ intransitive , transitive ] to say that you would like sb to give you sth
~ for sth to ask for a job/a drink/an explanation
I am writing to ask for some information about courses.
~ sth Why don't you ask his advice?
~ sb for sth Why don't you ask him for his advice?
~ sth of sb Can I ask a favour of you?
~ sb sth Can I ask you a favour?
permission
4 [ transitive ] to request permission to do sth
~ to do sth Did you ask to use the car?
I asked to see the manager.
~ if, whether, etc… I'll ask if it's all right to park here.
~ sb if, whether, etc… She asked her boss whether she could have the day off.
invite
5 [ transitive ] to invite sb
~ sb (+ adv./prep.) They've asked me to dinner.
I didn't ask them in (= to come into the house) .
We must ask the neighbours round (= to our house) .
~ sb to do sth She's asked him to come to the party.
money
6 [ transitive ] ~ sth (for sth) to request a particular amount of money for sth that you are selling
He's asking £2 000 for the car.
How much were they asking for their house?
expect/demand
7 [ transitive ] to expect or demand sth
~ sth I know I'm asking a great deal.
~ sth of sb You're asking too much of him.
~ sth to do sth I know it's asking a lot to expect them to win again.
ask for it ( informal ) to deserve sth bad that happens to you or that sb does to you
‘You shouldn't have said that to her.’ ‘Well, she asked for it!’
be asking for trouble | be asking for it ( informal ) to behave in a way that is very likely to result in trouble
don't ask ( informal ) if you say don't ask to sb, you mean that you do not want to reply to their question, because it would be awkward, embarrassing, etc.
‘And what did he do then?’ ‘Don't ask!’
don't ask me ( informal ) if you say don't ask me , you mean that you do not know the answer to a question and are annoyed you have been asked
‘What will the meeting be about?’ ‘Don't ask me.’
for the asking
if you can have sth for the asking , it is very easy for you to get it if you ask for it
The job is yours for the asking.
I ask you ( informal ) if you say I ask you , you are expressing disapproval, shock or anger about sth/sb
He told me I had to work late on Friday night. I ask you!
if you ask me ( informal ) in my personal opinion
Their marriage was a mistake, if you ask me.
ask after sb ( BrE ) to say that you would like to know how sb is, what they are doing, etc
He always asks after you in his letters.
ask around to speak to a number of different people in order to try and get some information
I don't know of any vacancies in the company but I'll ask around.
ask sb back ( especially BrE ) to invite sb to come back to your house when you are both out together
I hoped he wouldn't ask me back.
ask for sb/sth to say that you want to speak to sb or be directed to a place
When you arrive, ask for Jane.
ask sb out to invite sb to go out with you, especially as a way of starting a romantic relationship
He's too shy to ask her out.
noun
word origin
a big ask ( informal ) a difficult thing to achieve or deal with
Beating the world champions is certainly a big ask for the team.
IMHO:
użyte ask for tłumaczymy jako prosić/poprosić
i równoznaczne tłumaczeniowo jest:
Could I ask for an interpreter - natomiast co do powszechności uzycia to jak Prof. Miodek - wariantywność jezykowa -:) - natomiast co do powszechności użycia to jak mówi Prof. Miodek - wariantywność jezykowa -:)
quantum137 - Chętnie podyskutuję na ten temat ale pisz konkrety a nie copy-paste wszystko co popadnie:) Na dodatek dwa razy:) Bez urazy.
Zapraszam do dialogu, co Ci się nie podoba w moim tłumaczeniu. Pozdrawiam
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TLK - skopiowałem cały artykuł wraz z przykładami, aby móc spojrzeć na problem "z lotu ptaka" - nie żywię urazy -:)
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quantum137 - OK dobrze że się udzielasz i pomagasz, sam korzystam z Twoich rad, ale pamiętaj, że lepiej ująć coś konkretnie w 2 lub 3 zdaniach, niż pisać o wszystkim. Wiadomo ile 'ton informacji' słowniki podają o bardzo popularnym słowie 'ask'. Życzę udanego dnia, hej!
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